Ing. - arch. - dott. - prof. + nome (titoli) (2024)

Salve,

Mi viene un dubbio. Quando in italiano abbreviamo Ing. in inglese è corretto dire Eng. ?
Il contesto è quello di un verbale di riunione dove in alto si indicano i partecipanti: Ing. X; Ing Y ecc... nel testo poi si ripete spesso l'Ing. interviene e dice ecc...

grazie dell'aiuto

cina80 said:

Mi viene un dubbio. Quando in italiano abbreviamo Ing. in inglese è corretto dire Eng. ? No. Usiamo Mr./Mrs./Ms.

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Vedo che qualcuno un po' di tempo fa ha consigliato l'utilizzo di "Dear ing..". Personalmente non l'userei mai! Lavoro per una società di ingegneria italiana e ho moltissimi contatti con società estere: i titoli di studio li utilizziamo parlando in italiano, ma in inglese no (con l'eccezione di Doctor, inteso sia come medico sia come uno che ha conseguito un PhD), per cui durante le riunioni usiamo Mr./Mrs. (anche se molto spesso si passa prestissimo a chiamarsi per nome) e anche quando si scrive il verbale.

Hello everybody

I fully agree with London Calling.

From the US and UK they just start their messages with Dear Mr. / Dear Mrs. / Dear all (meaning the letter/message is addressed to many people simultaneosuly)

Hope it helps

Lorena1970 said:

I think it depends on the context you need to use these titles. Are you writing a letter, a cv, what else...?
Prof. Eng. X is perfectly accetable per se, in my view.

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Sorry, Lo, but you would never say that.
Prof. X would be a solution, but I think it depends, as Lorena says, on the context. There have also been a number of threads about this already - have you checked them out?

Lorena1970 said:

Well, I have got the cv of an architect which start with "Prof. Arch. XY is a prominent professional..." written by a native BE, of course.
No doubts it is correct.
So why "Prof. Eng. X" doesn't work...?

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Well, I can't comment on the architect's grasp of English... this is a completely foreign use of English to me. I'd be interested in other natives' comments.

joanvillafane said:

Native speaker, here. When I first read this I thought it meant "Professor of English" - the abbreviation "Eng." not only is not used with Prof. but I don't think it would be understood as representing "Engineer."

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I think I did a mistake while correcting it with "Eng."(thinking of Engineer). Sorry: my fault.
As for "Prof.Arch XY is a prominent professional", I am sure it was written like that. What's your opinion on this?

joanvillafane said:

But in general architects and engineers do not have these formal titles. I agree that you will never start a letter with "Dear Prof.Arch......" in English!!! But "Prof.Arch" per se it is not wrong (you agree?), that's what I meant, and I thought "Prof.Eng." was the same. If the person has a degree, we might use the initials after the name in addressing a letter or listing his name in a directory, for example, Yes, I know that, although the case I quoted reports the titles before the name...

but not to address the person directly

.I agree with this, of course, that's why we need more context.

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I have never heard or seen written Prof. Arch.

The title Prof. (for "Professor") only refers to a position held at a university. Also, if you were referring to qualifications held, you would write "B.Arch" after your name followed by the university it was obtained at in brackets. This is a standard format.

It honestly sounds like your colleague either doesn't know how to write his or her own qualifications, or is deliberately over-egging his or her status

Florio60 said:

Sorry for not getting back earlier, but I had to go out.
The context is the 'Acknowledgements' page of a book I'm translating. One of the people who has to be thanked for contributing is Prof. Ing. X.

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This is difficult because as has already been pointed out you can't use this kind of appellation in English. If it's a stand alone name, then just the name itself is probably best. "Professor X" is only appropriate if he or she actually holds a professorship at a university, and "The engineer X" isn't a standard title in an acknowledgements section, unless you want to highlight that the person is an engineer for some reason.

Assuming this person isn't actually a university professor, could you say, for example,

X, for his engineering expertise?

If it's just a list of names, I'd be tempted to just put the name and leave out the rest.

elfa said:

or is deliberately over-egging his or her status I am sure he doesn't

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Going back to Florio's question: what about "Prof. XY, Engineer"...?

Lorena1970 said:

Going back to Florio's question: what about "Prof. XY, Engineer"...?

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As I said earlier, "Professor" can only to be used in conjunction with tenureship of a university post. If that is the case, then

Professor X, engineer

be appropriate, although I still think that looks odd in a list of names in an acknowledgement section. My opinion

Perhaps I can help. The abbreviation "Prof." might not mean "Professor." More likely, it means "Professional." Someone who is a Professional Engineer (that is, they have a degree, have worked in the field for a specified period of time, and have passed a competency exam) can use the abbreviation "PE" or "Prof. Eng." after their name. We also have "Prof. Arch." for Professional Architects.

At least in AE, this is more likely the answer. I believe the English use a similar system using the term Certified Engineer (abbreviated CEng), I believe.

Phil

MR1492 said:

Perhaps I can help. The abbreviation "Prof." might not mean "Professor." More likely, it means "Professional." Someone who is a Professional Engineer (that is, they have a degree, have worked in the field for a specified period of time, and have passed a competency exam) can use the abbreviation "PE" or "Prof. Eng." after their name. We also have "Prof. Arch." for Professional Architects. I may have interpreted "Prof.Arch" as "Professor" (as the example I refer to is also Professor) whilst it meant "Professional". This DOES make sense. In fact in UK you have also PA as abbreviation for "Professional Architect". What remains strange is that the mantioned titles are before his name (in my case). Boh...

At least in AE, this is more likely the answer. I believe the English use a similar system using the term Certified Engineer (abbreviated CEng), I believe.

Phil

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@Lorena,

I agree the placement of the honorific is in the European style. If the book is written in English and the author is "translating" the placement of the honorifics, that might explain the duality. It could explain the "worst of both worlds" this thread has engendered!

Phil

As the others have already said, you need to use Mr., Mrs., Miss or Ms. We only put Dr. for a medical doctor or someone with a PhD and use this regardless of whether they are male or female. It is also possible to leave the title out and put the degree after the name e.g. John Smith B.A. If you can translate the degree correctly!!

I think you need to be very careful and know who your audience is, as PA in British English also means Personal Assistant, which is what I would understand immediately reading PA. Also if I saw PE I would assume you were talking about Physical Education... CEng sounds best to me if you must put something here, otherwise just the name and surname.